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adepslanaeA bunch of random quotes that are more or less relevant to my AU (and not only that).
22. "but Curufin was most interested in the alien language of the Dwarves, being the only one of the Noldor to win their friendship. It was from him that the loremasters obtained such knowledge as they could of the Khuzdul."
Which means that Curvo was in contact with the loremasters? Curufin-Pengolodh correspondence???
23. "Nor were the 'loremasters' a separate guild of gentle scribes"
These are from TPoME iirc, quotes below are from The War of the Jewels.
$231. In AB 2 and in QS ($15) it was Cranthir, not Maglor, who slew Uldor the Accursed. It is not said in those texts that 'new strength of evil men came up that Uldor had summoned and kept hidden in the eastern hills', nor, of course, that the Feanorians, fleeing towards Mount Dolmed, took with them a remnant of the Naugrim, for it was only with the Grey Annals that the Dwarves took part in the battle (commentary on $212).
Moryo and Cano did it together!
$265. In Q Blodrin was a Gnome, with the later addition that he was a Feanorian (IV.123 and note 5); the story told here that he was one of the faithful Easterlings who became a traitor after his capture by Morgoth is a new development. In Q his evil nature was ascribed to his having 'lived long with the Dwarves', and this was derived from the Lay (III.32).
Screw the Easterlings, tenuous random Feanorian Noldo and a connection with the Dwarves???
This placing of Orodreth's territory goes back to the old story that of the sons of Finrod (Finarfin) on Dorthonion 'easternmost dwelt Orodreth, nighest to his friends the sons of Feanor'
Not canon but relevant to my AU.
(1) It is said that Curufin 'knew of Eol's friendship with the Dwarves of Nogrod': in the narrative Eol's visits were to Belegost, changed on B(ii) to 'Nogrod or Belegost' (see under $9 above), but already in A the feast to which he had gone at the time of the flight of his wife and son was held at Nogrod ($14). Elsewhere among these late 'Maeglin' writings it is said of Eol: 'Lately he had visited Nogrod often; he had become very friendly with the Dwarves of Nogrod, since those of Belegost to the north had become friends of Caranthir son of Feanor.'
CANON!
[...] it is said in the passage cited above that it and the bridge by which it passed over Esgalduin were ancient works deriving from the 'peaceful days' before the return of Morgoth: it was not a road made by the Noldor for communication between the western realms and the Feanorians.
Interesting.
Long-ass discussion of the Dwarvish roads:
The Dwarf-roads. Equally obscure is the question of the Dwarf-roads in Eastern Beleriand. In the earliest Annals of Beleriand (AB 1, IV.332) it was said that the Dwarves had of old a road into the West that came up along Ered Lindon to the East and passed westward in the passes south of Mount Dolm and down the course of the River Ascar and over Gelion at the ford Sarn Athrad and so to Aros.' This agrees exactly with the (revised) course of the road on the 'Eastward Extension' of the first Silmarillion map (see IV.231, 336). It is seen from the central (original) part of the first map that it crossed Celon and Aros west of Nan Elmoth (which of course did not at that time yet exist) and so ran in a W.S.W. direction to the Thousand Caves (between pp. 220 and 221 in Vol.IV).
But the course of the ancient route of the Dwarves after the passage of Sarn Athrad was never marked in on the second map - unless the vague line described in the notes on the map, p. 190, $68, is correctly interpreted as the Dwarf-road. If that is so, then its course had been changed to cross Aros much further to the south, and then to run northwards through the Forest of Region to Menegroth. But better evidence is provided in the late Quenta Silmarillion chapter Of the Coming of Men into the West, pp. 218 - 19, where it is said that 'Marach ... came down the Dwarf-road and settled his people in the country to the south and east of the dwellings of Baran son of Beor': this was Estolad, 'the name ever after of the land east of Celon and south of Nan Elmoth'. On the disuse of the old Dwarf-road(s) into Beleriand after the coming of the Noldor see p. 121, commentary on GA $114. It was said already in the original text of Maeglin (p. 321, $9) that 'the traffic of the Dwarves followed two roads, the northern of which, going towards Himring, passed nigh Nan Elmoth'.
This was not altered in the late work on Maeglin; and on the primary map (already present when the photocopy was made) a line of faintly pencilled dots marked 'north road of Dwarves' (see p. 189, $50) runs E.S.E. from near Nan Elmoth, crosses Gelion some way south of the confluence of its arms, and then turns southward, running more or less parallel to the river. There is no trace of its course west or north of Nan Elmoth, and it is impossible to be sure whether any further continuation southwards or eastwards is marked beyond the point where it ends in my redrawing (p. 183). The Maeglin papers do not resolve the course of this 'north road of the Dwarves', because (although all obviously belong to the same time) they evidently represent different conceptions. (i) Writing of Eol's journey to Nogrod, my father said: From Elmoth to Gelion the land was, north of the Andram and the Falls below the last Ford over Gelion (8) (just above the inflow of the River Ascar from the Mountains), mostly rolling plain, with large regions of big trees without thickets. There were several beaten tracks made originally by Dwarves from Belegost and Nogrod, the best (most used and widest) being from the Little Ford past the north of Elmoth and to the Ford of Aros, it crossed the Bridge of Esgalduin but went no further for, if the Dwarves wished to visit Menegroth.
This text then becomes altogether illegible. At the mention of 'the last Ford over Gelion' he added a note that the name Sarn Athrad of this ford must be changed to Harathrad 'South Ford', 'in contrast to the much used northern ford where the river was not yet very swift or deep, nearly due east of Eol's house (72 miles distant)'; and against Harathrad here he wrote Athrad Daer (the Great Ford). (9) The implication seems to be that Eol crossed Gelion at the northern ford, but this is not actually stated. There are two alterations to the photocopies of the map that relate to what is said here. One is the marking of a crossing over Gelion on square E 13 (p. 331), just above the point where the dotted line 'north road of Dwarves' crosses the river on the primary map, but without any track leading to this crossing. The other is at the ford of Sarn Athrad on the South-east section (p. 185), where on the photocopy my father wrote the name anew over the existing name, circled it, and wrote beside it Harathrad. Beyond this nothing can be said of the north road of the Dwarves, and there is no indication in map or text of where, or indeed whether, it joined the 'south road'. It is indeed very puzzling that this northerly road, which in the text of Maeglin is said to have gone 'towards Himring' (as is to be expected: leading to territories of the Sons of Feanor), is in the citation (i) just given said to pass the Ford of Aros and the Bridge of Esgalduin: for these crossings were on the East Road to the Brithiach (pp. 332 - 3). And apart from this, why should this road turn westward, and why should it go no further than the Bridge of Esgalduin?
(ii) On another page my father said that the journey from Eol's house to Nan Elmoth in the direction of Nogrod was through wilds (but not generally in difficult country for horses) without any made roads, but along a beaten track made by Dwarvish traders to the Sarn Athrad (the last point where the River Gelion could be crossed) meeting the Dwarf-road up to and through the high pass in the mountains leading to Nogrod. Here there is no mention of the northern ford, or indeed of the northern road; and it seems to be implied that Eol would necessarily cross at Sarn Athrad (still so called, not Harathrad); moreover it is said that Eol riding from Nan Elmoth to Nogrod took 'a beaten track made by Dwarvish traders' to Sarn Athrad that met the Dwarf-road up to the high pass. In addition to the green dotted line entered on the photocopy of the map and stated to be the track of Maeglin and Aredhel fleeing from Nan Elmoth (p. 333), lines of red dots (represented on my redrawing as lines of closely-spaced dots) run from Nan Elmoth to the Ford of Aros, and also south-east from Nan Elmoth (p. 331). On the South-east section in the photocopy (see the redrawing of the primary map on p. 185) this red dotted line continues straight on across square G 13 to Sarn Athrad, and then coincides with the Dwarf-road up into the mountains, already present on the primary map.
There is no note on the photocopy to explain what these lines represent, but there can be no doubt that they mark the journeys of Eol (even though the dots continue all the way to the Ford of Aros, whereas he was arrested in his pursuit of Maeglin and Aredhel by the riders of Curufin 'ere he had ridden half the way over Himlad', p. 326, $16). Thus the line running from Nan Elmoth to Sarn Athrad clearly corresponds to what is said in citation (ii). The absence of any really clear and full statement - indeed the suggestion that my father's ideas on the subject had not reached any stability, and the extreme doubtfulness of some of the markings on the map, led me to omit the course of the Dwarf-roads on the published map.
Apart from the matter of roads, there are some notes on names in these papers that show my father's dissatisfaction with old names already seen in the cases of Isfin and Eol (pp. 317, 320): here those in question are Gelion and Celon (cf. his note on the primary map, p. 191, where he said that 'these river-names need revision to etymologizable words').(10) In notes in different places he proposed (in sequence) Gelduin, Gevilon, Gevelon, and also Duin Daer (cf. Duin Dhaer in the note on the primary map just referred to); Gevelon is derived from Dwarvish Gabilan 'great river'. On the back of one of the photocopies of the map he wrote: The land east of it [the river] is Thorewilan [the a is underlined]. The Dwarvish name was also often translated Duin Daer. The name Gabilan was by the Dwarves given only to the River south of the Falls where (after the junction of the River with the Asgar coming from the Mountains) it became swift and was steadily increased in volume by the inflow of five more tributaries. The name Thargelion on the primary map was changed to Thargelian (with the a underlined: p. 331): the latter form has appeared in emendations to the typescripts of Maeglin (p. 320). The form Asgar appeared in the 1930s (beside Ascar), see IV.209; cf. the Etymologies, V..386, stem SKAR: 'N[oldorin] asgar, ascar violent, rushing, impetu- ous'. The substitution of the name Limhir for Celon has appeared as a proposal in one of the typescripts of Maeglin (p. 320), and among the 'geographical' papers is the following note: Celon is too hackneyed a river-name. Limhir (the clear / sparkling river) - repeated in L.R. as were not unnaturally other names from Beleriand - is more suitable for the river, a tributary of the Aros and a clear slender stream coming down from the Hill of Himring. The name Limhir does not occur in The Lord of the Rings, unless my father was referring to the Limlight, of which he said in Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings (A Tolkien Compass, ed. Lobdell, p. 188): 'The spelling -light indicates that this is a Common Speech name; but leave the obscured element lim- unchanged and translate -light: the adjective light here means "bright, clear".'
Lastly, it remains to mention the etymology of Maeglin found among these papers. mik pierce: *mikra sharp-pointed (Q mixa, S *megr): strong adjective' maika sharp, penetrating, going deep in - often in transferred sense (as Q hendumaika sharp-eye, S maegheneb > maecheneb). glim gleam, glint (usually of fine slender but bright shafts of light}. Particularly applied to light of eyes; not Q. S glintha- glance (at), glinn. From these two is derived the name Maeglin, since Maeglin had, even more than his father, very bright eyes, and was both physically very keen-sighted and mentally very penetrant, and quick to interpret the looks and gestures of people, and perceive their thoughts and purposes. The name was only given to him in boyhood, when these characteristics were recognized. His father till then was contented to call him Ion, son. (His mother secretly gave him a N. Quenya name Lomion 'son of twilight'; and taught Maeglin the Quenya tongue, though Eol had forbidden it.) This development of the story of Maeglin from the form in which he had written it twenty years before seems to have been the last concentrated work that my father did on the actual narratives of the Elder Days. Why he should have turned to this legend in particular I do not know; but one sees, in his minute consideration of the possibilities of the story, from the motives of the actors to the detail of the terrain, of roads, of the speed and endurance of riders, how the focus of his vision of the old tales had changed.
---this is all very interesting shit, particularly the Dwarvish road towards Himring, and Maeglin and Eol having bright eyes.
How far the descriptive Clan-names, *wanja, *ngolodo, and *linda were preserved among the Avari is not now known; but the existence of the old clans was remembered, and a special kinship between those of the same original clan, whether they had gone away or remained, was still recognized. The first Avari that the Eldar met again in Beleriand seem to have claimed to be Tatyar, who acknowledged their kinship with the Exiles, though there is no record of their using the name Noldo in any recognizable Avarin form. They were actually unfriendly to the Noldor, and jealous of their more exalted kin, whom they accused of arrogance. This ill-feeling descended in part from the bitterness of the Debate before the March of the Eldar began, and was no doubt later increased by the machinations of Morgoth; but it also throws some light upon the temperament of the Noldor in general, and of Feanor in particular. (LFMAO) Indeed the Teleri on their side asserted that most of the Noldor in Aman itself were in heart Avari, and returned to Middle-earth when they discovered their mistake; they needed room to quarrel in.
BASICALLY NOLDOR/TATYAR = A BUNCH OF D.M.s!!!!!!!!!! But yeah, the bitterness of the Debate is the most interesting thing here.
"Though Feanor after the days of his first youth took no more active part in linguistic lore and enquiry, he is credited by tradition with the foundation of a school of Lambengolmor or 'Loremasters of Tongues' to carry on this work. This continued in existence among the Noldor, even through the rigours and disasters of the Flight from Aman and the Wars in Beleriand, and it survived indeed to return to Eressea. (!!!)
Of the School the most eminent member after the founder was, or still is, Pengolodh,(25) an Elf of mixed Sindarin and Noldorin ancestry, born in Nevrast, who lived in Gondolin from its foundation. He wrote both in Sindarin and in Quenya. He was one of the survivors of the destruction of Gondolin, from which he rescued a few ancient writings, and some of his own copies, compilations, and commentaries."
Pengolodh you traitor.
"Feanor indeed, before the growth of his discontent, is said to have learned more of this tongue than any others before his time, and his knowledge must at any rate have far surpassed the little that is now recorded; but what he knew he kept to himself, and he refused to transmit it even to the Lambengolmor because of his quarrel with the Valar."
"Only those among them, therefore, who had special linguistic curiosity desired to learn Valarin for its own sake. Such 'loremasters' did not always record their knowledge, and many of the records that were made have been lost. Feanor, who probably knew more of the matter than any of the younger generations born in Aman, deliberately withheld his knowledge."
"Most significant, they cite from an ancient legend of the Flight the tale that as the mists of Araman wrapped the distant mountains of Valinor from the sight of the Noldor, Feanor raised his hands in token of rejection and cried: 'I go. Neither in light or shadow will I look upon you again, Dahanigwishtilgun.' So it was recorded, though the writers of the histories no longer knew what he meant. For which reason the strange word may have been ill transmitted. But even so it still bears some likeness to Taniquetil, though it can no longer be analysed. (In a few versions, say the Loremasters, it is written dahan-igwis-telgun.)"
Hey, this is super interesting. Also, Feanor not using Valarin to his advantage is a crime. This guy could have done p. much anything, Tolkien you dummy.
22. "but Curufin was most interested in the alien language of the Dwarves, being the only one of the Noldor to win their friendship. It was from him that the loremasters obtained such knowledge as they could of the Khuzdul."
Which means that Curvo was in contact with the loremasters? Curufin-Pengolodh correspondence???
23. "Nor were the 'loremasters' a separate guild of gentle scribes"
These are from TPoME iirc, quotes below are from The War of the Jewels.
$231. In AB 2 and in QS ($15) it was Cranthir, not Maglor, who slew Uldor the Accursed. It is not said in those texts that 'new strength of evil men came up that Uldor had summoned and kept hidden in the eastern hills', nor, of course, that the Feanorians, fleeing towards Mount Dolmed, took with them a remnant of the Naugrim, for it was only with the Grey Annals that the Dwarves took part in the battle (commentary on $212).
Moryo and Cano did it together!
$265. In Q Blodrin was a Gnome, with the later addition that he was a Feanorian (IV.123 and note 5); the story told here that he was one of the faithful Easterlings who became a traitor after his capture by Morgoth is a new development. In Q his evil nature was ascribed to his having 'lived long with the Dwarves', and this was derived from the Lay (III.32).
Screw the Easterlings, tenuous random Feanorian Noldo and a connection with the Dwarves???
This placing of Orodreth's territory goes back to the old story that of the sons of Finrod (Finarfin) on Dorthonion 'easternmost dwelt Orodreth, nighest to his friends the sons of Feanor'
Not canon but relevant to my AU.
(1) It is said that Curufin 'knew of Eol's friendship with the Dwarves of Nogrod': in the narrative Eol's visits were to Belegost, changed on B(ii) to 'Nogrod or Belegost' (see under $9 above), but already in A the feast to which he had gone at the time of the flight of his wife and son was held at Nogrod ($14). Elsewhere among these late 'Maeglin' writings it is said of Eol: 'Lately he had visited Nogrod often; he had become very friendly with the Dwarves of Nogrod, since those of Belegost to the north had become friends of Caranthir son of Feanor.'
CANON!
[...] it is said in the passage cited above that it and the bridge by which it passed over Esgalduin were ancient works deriving from the 'peaceful days' before the return of Morgoth: it was not a road made by the Noldor for communication between the western realms and the Feanorians.
Interesting.
Long-ass discussion of the Dwarvish roads:
The Dwarf-roads. Equally obscure is the question of the Dwarf-roads in Eastern Beleriand. In the earliest Annals of Beleriand (AB 1, IV.332) it was said that the Dwarves had of old a road into the West that came up along Ered Lindon to the East and passed westward in the passes south of Mount Dolm and down the course of the River Ascar and over Gelion at the ford Sarn Athrad and so to Aros.' This agrees exactly with the (revised) course of the road on the 'Eastward Extension' of the first Silmarillion map (see IV.231, 336). It is seen from the central (original) part of the first map that it crossed Celon and Aros west of Nan Elmoth (which of course did not at that time yet exist) and so ran in a W.S.W. direction to the Thousand Caves (between pp. 220 and 221 in Vol.IV).
But the course of the ancient route of the Dwarves after the passage of Sarn Athrad was never marked in on the second map - unless the vague line described in the notes on the map, p. 190, $68, is correctly interpreted as the Dwarf-road. If that is so, then its course had been changed to cross Aros much further to the south, and then to run northwards through the Forest of Region to Menegroth. But better evidence is provided in the late Quenta Silmarillion chapter Of the Coming of Men into the West, pp. 218 - 19, where it is said that 'Marach ... came down the Dwarf-road and settled his people in the country to the south and east of the dwellings of Baran son of Beor': this was Estolad, 'the name ever after of the land east of Celon and south of Nan Elmoth'. On the disuse of the old Dwarf-road(s) into Beleriand after the coming of the Noldor see p. 121, commentary on GA $114. It was said already in the original text of Maeglin (p. 321, $9) that 'the traffic of the Dwarves followed two roads, the northern of which, going towards Himring, passed nigh Nan Elmoth'.
This was not altered in the late work on Maeglin; and on the primary map (already present when the photocopy was made) a line of faintly pencilled dots marked 'north road of Dwarves' (see p. 189, $50) runs E.S.E. from near Nan Elmoth, crosses Gelion some way south of the confluence of its arms, and then turns southward, running more or less parallel to the river. There is no trace of its course west or north of Nan Elmoth, and it is impossible to be sure whether any further continuation southwards or eastwards is marked beyond the point where it ends in my redrawing (p. 183). The Maeglin papers do not resolve the course of this 'north road of the Dwarves', because (although all obviously belong to the same time) they evidently represent different conceptions. (i) Writing of Eol's journey to Nogrod, my father said: From Elmoth to Gelion the land was, north of the Andram and the Falls below the last Ford over Gelion (8) (just above the inflow of the River Ascar from the Mountains), mostly rolling plain, with large regions of big trees without thickets. There were several beaten tracks made originally by Dwarves from Belegost and Nogrod, the best (most used and widest) being from the Little Ford past the north of Elmoth and to the Ford of Aros, it crossed the Bridge of Esgalduin but went no further for, if the Dwarves wished to visit Menegroth.
This text then becomes altogether illegible. At the mention of 'the last Ford over Gelion' he added a note that the name Sarn Athrad of this ford must be changed to Harathrad 'South Ford', 'in contrast to the much used northern ford where the river was not yet very swift or deep, nearly due east of Eol's house (72 miles distant)'; and against Harathrad here he wrote Athrad Daer (the Great Ford). (9) The implication seems to be that Eol crossed Gelion at the northern ford, but this is not actually stated. There are two alterations to the photocopies of the map that relate to what is said here. One is the marking of a crossing over Gelion on square E 13 (p. 331), just above the point where the dotted line 'north road of Dwarves' crosses the river on the primary map, but without any track leading to this crossing. The other is at the ford of Sarn Athrad on the South-east section (p. 185), where on the photocopy my father wrote the name anew over the existing name, circled it, and wrote beside it Harathrad. Beyond this nothing can be said of the north road of the Dwarves, and there is no indication in map or text of where, or indeed whether, it joined the 'south road'. It is indeed very puzzling that this northerly road, which in the text of Maeglin is said to have gone 'towards Himring' (as is to be expected: leading to territories of the Sons of Feanor), is in the citation (i) just given said to pass the Ford of Aros and the Bridge of Esgalduin: for these crossings were on the East Road to the Brithiach (pp. 332 - 3). And apart from this, why should this road turn westward, and why should it go no further than the Bridge of Esgalduin?
(ii) On another page my father said that the journey from Eol's house to Nan Elmoth in the direction of Nogrod was through wilds (but not generally in difficult country for horses) without any made roads, but along a beaten track made by Dwarvish traders to the Sarn Athrad (the last point where the River Gelion could be crossed) meeting the Dwarf-road up to and through the high pass in the mountains leading to Nogrod. Here there is no mention of the northern ford, or indeed of the northern road; and it seems to be implied that Eol would necessarily cross at Sarn Athrad (still so called, not Harathrad); moreover it is said that Eol riding from Nan Elmoth to Nogrod took 'a beaten track made by Dwarvish traders' to Sarn Athrad that met the Dwarf-road up to the high pass. In addition to the green dotted line entered on the photocopy of the map and stated to be the track of Maeglin and Aredhel fleeing from Nan Elmoth (p. 333), lines of red dots (represented on my redrawing as lines of closely-spaced dots) run from Nan Elmoth to the Ford of Aros, and also south-east from Nan Elmoth (p. 331). On the South-east section in the photocopy (see the redrawing of the primary map on p. 185) this red dotted line continues straight on across square G 13 to Sarn Athrad, and then coincides with the Dwarf-road up into the mountains, already present on the primary map.
There is no note on the photocopy to explain what these lines represent, but there can be no doubt that they mark the journeys of Eol (even though the dots continue all the way to the Ford of Aros, whereas he was arrested in his pursuit of Maeglin and Aredhel by the riders of Curufin 'ere he had ridden half the way over Himlad', p. 326, $16). Thus the line running from Nan Elmoth to Sarn Athrad clearly corresponds to what is said in citation (ii). The absence of any really clear and full statement - indeed the suggestion that my father's ideas on the subject had not reached any stability, and the extreme doubtfulness of some of the markings on the map, led me to omit the course of the Dwarf-roads on the published map.
Apart from the matter of roads, there are some notes on names in these papers that show my father's dissatisfaction with old names already seen in the cases of Isfin and Eol (pp. 317, 320): here those in question are Gelion and Celon (cf. his note on the primary map, p. 191, where he said that 'these river-names need revision to etymologizable words').(10) In notes in different places he proposed (in sequence) Gelduin, Gevilon, Gevelon, and also Duin Daer (cf. Duin Dhaer in the note on the primary map just referred to); Gevelon is derived from Dwarvish Gabilan 'great river'. On the back of one of the photocopies of the map he wrote: The land east of it [the river] is Thorewilan [the a is underlined]. The Dwarvish name was also often translated Duin Daer. The name Gabilan was by the Dwarves given only to the River south of the Falls where (after the junction of the River with the Asgar coming from the Mountains) it became swift and was steadily increased in volume by the inflow of five more tributaries. The name Thargelion on the primary map was changed to Thargelian (with the a underlined: p. 331): the latter form has appeared in emendations to the typescripts of Maeglin (p. 320). The form Asgar appeared in the 1930s (beside Ascar), see IV.209; cf. the Etymologies, V..386, stem SKAR: 'N[oldorin] asgar, ascar violent, rushing, impetu- ous'. The substitution of the name Limhir for Celon has appeared as a proposal in one of the typescripts of Maeglin (p. 320), and among the 'geographical' papers is the following note: Celon is too hackneyed a river-name. Limhir (the clear / sparkling river) - repeated in L.R. as were not unnaturally other names from Beleriand - is more suitable for the river, a tributary of the Aros and a clear slender stream coming down from the Hill of Himring. The name Limhir does not occur in The Lord of the Rings, unless my father was referring to the Limlight, of which he said in Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings (A Tolkien Compass, ed. Lobdell, p. 188): 'The spelling -light indicates that this is a Common Speech name; but leave the obscured element lim- unchanged and translate -light: the adjective light here means "bright, clear".'
Lastly, it remains to mention the etymology of Maeglin found among these papers. mik pierce: *mikra sharp-pointed (Q mixa, S *megr): strong adjective' maika sharp, penetrating, going deep in - often in transferred sense (as Q hendumaika sharp-eye, S maegheneb > maecheneb). glim gleam, glint (usually of fine slender but bright shafts of light}. Particularly applied to light of eyes; not Q. S glintha- glance (at), glinn. From these two is derived the name Maeglin, since Maeglin had, even more than his father, very bright eyes, and was both physically very keen-sighted and mentally very penetrant, and quick to interpret the looks and gestures of people, and perceive their thoughts and purposes. The name was only given to him in boyhood, when these characteristics were recognized. His father till then was contented to call him Ion, son. (His mother secretly gave him a N. Quenya name Lomion 'son of twilight'; and taught Maeglin the Quenya tongue, though Eol had forbidden it.) This development of the story of Maeglin from the form in which he had written it twenty years before seems to have been the last concentrated work that my father did on the actual narratives of the Elder Days. Why he should have turned to this legend in particular I do not know; but one sees, in his minute consideration of the possibilities of the story, from the motives of the actors to the detail of the terrain, of roads, of the speed and endurance of riders, how the focus of his vision of the old tales had changed.
---this is all very interesting shit, particularly the Dwarvish road towards Himring, and Maeglin and Eol having bright eyes.
How far the descriptive Clan-names, *wanja, *ngolodo, and *linda were preserved among the Avari is not now known; but the existence of the old clans was remembered, and a special kinship between those of the same original clan, whether they had gone away or remained, was still recognized. The first Avari that the Eldar met again in Beleriand seem to have claimed to be Tatyar, who acknowledged their kinship with the Exiles, though there is no record of their using the name Noldo in any recognizable Avarin form. They were actually unfriendly to the Noldor, and jealous of their more exalted kin, whom they accused of arrogance. This ill-feeling descended in part from the bitterness of the Debate before the March of the Eldar began, and was no doubt later increased by the machinations of Morgoth; but it also throws some light upon the temperament of the Noldor in general, and of Feanor in particular. (LFMAO) Indeed the Teleri on their side asserted that most of the Noldor in Aman itself were in heart Avari, and returned to Middle-earth when they discovered their mistake; they needed room to quarrel in.
BASICALLY NOLDOR/TATYAR = A BUNCH OF D.M.s!!!!!!!!!! But yeah, the bitterness of the Debate is the most interesting thing here.
"Though Feanor after the days of his first youth took no more active part in linguistic lore and enquiry, he is credited by tradition with the foundation of a school of Lambengolmor or 'Loremasters of Tongues' to carry on this work. This continued in existence among the Noldor, even through the rigours and disasters of the Flight from Aman and the Wars in Beleriand, and it survived indeed to return to Eressea. (!!!)
Of the School the most eminent member after the founder was, or still is, Pengolodh,(25) an Elf of mixed Sindarin and Noldorin ancestry, born in Nevrast, who lived in Gondolin from its foundation. He wrote both in Sindarin and in Quenya. He was one of the survivors of the destruction of Gondolin, from which he rescued a few ancient writings, and some of his own copies, compilations, and commentaries."
Pengolodh you traitor.
"Feanor indeed, before the growth of his discontent, is said to have learned more of this tongue than any others before his time, and his knowledge must at any rate have far surpassed the little that is now recorded; but what he knew he kept to himself, and he refused to transmit it even to the Lambengolmor because of his quarrel with the Valar."
"Only those among them, therefore, who had special linguistic curiosity desired to learn Valarin for its own sake. Such 'loremasters' did not always record their knowledge, and many of the records that were made have been lost. Feanor, who probably knew more of the matter than any of the younger generations born in Aman, deliberately withheld his knowledge."
"Most significant, they cite from an ancient legend of the Flight the tale that as the mists of Araman wrapped the distant mountains of Valinor from the sight of the Noldor, Feanor raised his hands in token of rejection and cried: 'I go. Neither in light or shadow will I look upon you again, Dahanigwishtilgun.' So it was recorded, though the writers of the histories no longer knew what he meant. For which reason the strange word may have been ill transmitted. But even so it still bears some likeness to Taniquetil, though it can no longer be analysed. (In a few versions, say the Loremasters, it is written dahan-igwis-telgun.)"
Hey, this is super interesting. Also, Feanor not using Valarin to his advantage is a crime. This guy could have done p. much anything, Tolkien you dummy.